It's not like it's about appealing to an audience, it's about getting better at animation.

you have 6 awards and people that are into your kinda stuff dont write reviews

hmm it would seem, you just listed the things i DO like to see in animations...
(No sticks, no sprites etc.)I agree the NG's communities intelligence has declined ("h0w d0 i g3t flash 4 freeee") but i think its the only place where the communty is diverse and large enough to actually get creative critisism.

Do what you gotta do, and stop whining.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

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Here's a shocker: THE WORLD ISN'T YOUR CROWD. The world likes pop culture and video game sprites. You can go to the far ends of the earth and you will find this.

You could discover the most elitist, stuck up art snob crowd on the planet and even then, they won't all be into your stuff. There are plenty of people on NG who love your stuff, but if you expect the masses to drop to their knees and worship your work, you're in for a rude awakening. But good luck finding that.

I'm disappointed. I must say, that you make a strong case for it. But, remember that there are still people out there who love your stuff.

Ha ha. You do way better then I do here, especially in recent years. Also you are only 16. You have plenty of time to quit a hobby. If we are talking about the people on Newgrounds, it has always been this way. I'm going to say without any real evidence but with only my experience and personal feelings that where my work is concerned, that the one thing that may have changed is their lack of enthusiasm to leave commentary but I imagine they are still the same kinds of people.

I'm gonna be honest in saying if you are planning on continuing flash, but not continuing with NG then on the internet, yeah you will have the same audience only less of it. Where do you think all the other flash "portals" mooch their audiences from, anyway? The first one. I can't think of any art sites that have the audience you are looking for that are this kind of sophisticated and If I did find one I imagine they would be pretty critical and high brow. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice though. I hope you find what you are looking for.

"it's just that i'm looking for a more specific crowd, more art based and having it be less about entertaining someone for 5 minutes and more about artistic value. Newgrounds is a wonderful site for people who do flash as a hobby to post their animations and get a lot of views, but I am looking to go further than that."

jesus h christ kid. you're BITTER and STUCK UP.

so in essence, you don't want people to be entertained, you want people to sit there sipping their triple mocha lattes and discuss the duality of closeups of your lips and squiggly fish drawings.

being vague and out there doesnt make you more "artistic" or above kids who animate sprites.

well anyways i hope you find that crowd of yours. you can find a bunch in the MOMA staring at paint splatters.

You know what I think I should clarify. I really wouldn't want the majority of my work to be seen by a critically high brow audience, just an interested one preferably with a good sense of humor. If I were more serious about what I do maybe that opinion would change.

hey johnnyutah! you're a SELLOUT and a HACK! you make one or two decent drawings, half ass a script, make it NG themed, and BOOM number 1 in the top 50. do you see nothing wrong with that?

you and about 20 other select artists are the only people who even have a CHANCE at success on this website anymore. because of people like you, NG has attracted an increasingly niche audience of stupid nerdy 13 year olds who want to hear dick jokes and sonic the hedgehog references. you also are scaring away the truly excellent artists like notorious, because you and the rest of your band of stupid faggot fans have no appreciation for someone trying to inject any sort of meaning into their work.

if you dont believe me that you're scaring away great artists, lets take a look. jim ether, one of the most phenomenal flash artists ive ever seen, used to frequent NG. then the audience turned to shit, so he left. now hes making AMAZING stuff on youtube and is attracting WAY more positive attention. what about dave teatro? maker of banana phone? he's a fantastic artist, hates this site with a passion. somebody? one of the most underlooked and fucking amazing avant garde artists on all of NG. he's long gone because of hacks like you and you're lousy NG takeover.

tom, you should seriously change the motto of NG if you and your staff are going to be this dismissive towards the truly talented people who come to your site. instead of "everything by everyone" it should be "everything by the crappy artists featured in the flash portal banner"

(this guy REALLY need a overdose of Motörhead)

man, calm down, youare just 16 years old and thinking like a man of 65 years old, i dont think you even have the horse tired (argentine expretion)

first to all, i dont think you must do a new like this, if you want quit, just quit, dont call the attention like this ways (maybe you dont want doit, but, who knows?).

why you think people dont like your stuff?? maybe people like your stuff and like the other stuff in newgrounds, why not?, its your art soooo prodogious than people like your stuff only and dont enjoy the other stuff? NO! people like a lot of diferents stuffs (example: i know metalheads that like britney spears)

calm down, man, if you want to quit of newgrounds its ok, but i dont think your art is not apreciated.

PS: sorry my english

I guarantee you'll find more artists who care about your animations here than anywhere else.

Ewww. Log destroyed.

BTW notorious. I hope you don't think I didn't get what you were trying to say because I really do. I was just trying to be positive more so then I actually am. I would hate to discourage anyones creativity.

Well mostly anyones...

I'm checking out Jim Ether on YouTube, and unless I'm missing another account, it looks like his most popular video (110,000 views) is him shaving a girl's head (albeit there is more to the video than that, but it seems to be the popular theme of the video). Comments have been disabled, so I can't even see what the "positive" YouTube audience has to say about it.

Looking at his recent submissions from the past 2 months, the most popular one has 332 views.

Has YouTube ever front paged any of Jim's movies? I know I front paged a lot of them.

I get defensive because I know NG gives a shit. Go look at the front page archive and the number of original animations far outweighs the sprite movies.

The problem is, you guys blame NG for you not being more popular, but it's not NG's fault or the NG audience in particular, it's how the general public responds to your work. There is a percent that enjoys it and a percent that doesn't. And you complain as if we're supposed to roll out some red carpet for you and announce your presence to the world, but it wouldn't change the way the general public responds to your work.

And it's like Dekathos said - you could go to some smaller niche site, but they are most likely just biting off NG anyway, and all you'll be doing is catering to a smaller audience, or a bunch of sycophants.

We're working our asses off to make something special here. We're trying to nurture an audience that appreciates the art and appreciates the creativity and the hard work. I don't want NG to be a site where ONLY artists come to trade compliments and give eachother reacharounds. It's always been about the balance of producers and consumers - the people who make the stuff and the people who enjoy it. Sometimes they are one in the same, often they aren't.

And f0d, I'm sorry that you don't have a character in the Portal header. If you made a movie with a character that warranted placement there, send me a link because I must have missed it. You talk about us being dismissive of artists, while you're being dismissive of all the artists who worked hard to earn a spot in that header. In time, other artists will get a shot, but right now it's their time and it's arrogant of anyone to say they deserve it more, even if they do.

This happens alot on Newgrounds

People like to leave.

People like to critisize newgrounds.

The staff apparently likes to yell at teenagers... I can relate, stupid whippersnappers and their Flash animations and PS3 supercomputing. they have no right to be younger than me! >:[ (it's either that, or just that I'm so damn old)

And I like to point out the obvious and space out my sentances.

But you learn to deal with it. As I'm sure mister TomFulp has seen it all.

With this I leave you all: "I've wasted everyones time, and I apologize. But wasting peoples time is just a natural consequence of typing. People are gonna read it, and they're gonna feel ripped off."

Anyway, I'm gonna go play DMC4. BYE!

Yeah, I get it, and I understand that a future in film doesn't necessarily start on NG. I just get defensive about NG because I'm full of pride and stuff.

And f0d, I do understand that when you made your comments, you didn't mean that YOU deserved to be up there, but I felt like jabbing at you anyway because I get worked up too. But still, everyone should stop acting like dicks.

yes yes, sorry to "e-yell" at you, but you sound like you're sticking your nose up at everybody here.

"Really, newgrounds is a fine website for people who take flash as a hobby, but soon I'll be moving past flash to the real world, away from the internet, and away from newgrounds."

here again, you make it sound like you're just not understood and placing your flash elsewhere will gain you more respect and notoriety. newgrounds is viewed by a pretty large demographic. where do you think you'll have better chances? (serious question, and please dont say youtube)

i still have issues with your reasoning, but so be it.
good luck on your endeavors.

and thanks fod, i needed to smile tonight.

Woo a big showdown just happened. Uh, I'd just like to say that Notorious is my friend and we're buds and stuff and we're friends together.
Tom I tried being your friend once but I don't think you liked me... possibly because I have an odd smell.
And Johnny I don't want to be your friend because you'll probably make me buy you things and fill up your gas tank everyweek like Notorious does.

I'm not sure where you got the idea no one appreciates your stuff. Looking at the reviews for your newest movie it seems like a lot of people like it.

Sure there'll always be people who prefer sprites and hentai but who gives a crap about them. Make whatever you feel like making and your niche audience will come to you. That's the way it'll work be it here or anywhere else.

it's a ton of fun being around retards.
it makes me feel so much better about myself.

But if you're bored with newgrounds, just join some smaller forums, but keep submitting.

...

so basically.
your coming out of the closet?

nah just kidding,

ur basically saying
1. You want to get more "in the buisness" recognition?
2. A Broader minded but smaller sized viewer base?
3. You want to go work in films.

although i will say ur entry did seem a bit snotty.
good luck if you choose to leave.

Well, I understand how you feel. I personally like more artistic submissions on NG. Unfortunately, most of the people here are horny dudes who live in their parents' basements; critiquing on this stuff like it's life or death. No boobs or gore? BLAM. No hilarious parody or movie with ninjas? BLAM.
I do hope you stay around, though. You're a level 26, we need more serious people on here. The n00bs are getting stupider by the day... then again, I'm only a level 9, so... eh.

Good job! You got yer attention on Newgrounds without even making an animation. It's not Alvin Earthworm's fault that he makes animations that appeal to lots of people, his series was the big thing that started all these sprite wars. I have seen tons of good animations on front page. I don't know how you can say that the Newgrounds audience is dull when there are animations like FFYL, Love at first Type, and Race across the Rainbow on front page. I see this comment as a loud way of looking for sympathy. There ARE people who like your animations. Animate for them, not the DBZ crowd.

You make art for people. People will never fully grasp any content, and you will never find an audience capable of reflecting the views you seek. In pursuing film you will find that audience is varied, and often ignorant. Newgrounds is a place to view work, and it reflects the worlds variation in substance and in retention. Your leaving is trivial and unimportant. Leaving is coming back. Art isn't for people, its for the birds.

wow notorious you sure did attract quite the crowd!

anyways you cant really quit newgrounds. animators you talk to will always put their shit here. it is inevitable, there is no way to escape it. to leave newgrounds means to leave the internet as a whole, which i would like to see any of us do

yes. newgrounds has always been chock full of videogame parodies, sticks, sprites, hentai, spam, and shitty ideas. but above all it is the only REAL flash portal on the internet.

because of that, even if you leave, you'll come back. i dont consider myself "a frequent" user of newgrounds yet here i am posting on your page, giving a shit about something you said. even after leaving and/or getting sick of newgrounds dozens of times in the last few months. or just not having the time for it

all in all what i'm trying to say is

bLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLFFFFFFFFFFFFDAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAASDDDDDDDD

by the way, i can also understand your desire to ascend the amateur nature of newgrounds. in fact i want to leave the internet for a few weeks because im sick of going to the same places every day and getting nowhere

like thebackalleys. i love rtil. hes a great guy. but i hate his forum more and more every time i go to it. people there have gotten so desperate to make a humorous impact on everyone else that the whole board is filled to the brim with shitty sarcastic posts and pop culture references. for god sake someone made a fucking topic called "Pants"

so just unplug for a week. it could do you some good

Good to see that Tom and Johnny Utah take the time out of their day to yell to these teenagers. <3 Oh, never change you guys.

YOUTUBEYOUTUBEYOUTUBEYOUTUBEYOUTUBE

I tried to warn you a year ago, but you're becoming what you hate man. Just relax, take a chill pill. No one's out to get you, google's not creeping behind a corner. If you really need help Tom, just ask, we're not being assholes, we just don't understand what's going on. Be clear with us, that's it. The community needs you to be supportive like you were.

If Notorious has a problem, ya know, hear him out, he might have something. Youtube is complete shit, trust me.

If this is still happening after our last scuffle, well something's gotta be done. If you need help, ask the community honestly and openly. Or ask me, I should probably be the one who should hate you most, but I don't. I'm just on the other side of the fence in all this.

Msg me if ya need me bro.

Personally I think the Newgrounds audience is very much into series, in pretty much every way. They want to see the lastest use of the Zelda Franchise, they want to see the next installment of Madness, they want another TANKMEN with more cock jokes, and it can imagine it must be harder to build a reputation without relying on series.

But if you do want to build a reputation for your flash this is the place to do it, because this place lets you take all the credit, this place will be gurantteed to get you views by people intersted in this kind of entertainment, and although you may not do aswell as the latest battle between mario and Sonic and some crazy light emittted golden hair robot, you can still get alot of views and fans.

It's about having integrity (sp), and that is something you will need if you do want a career in film. And you can learn how to have that here. Imagine you go on to make films like Pan's Labrynth, others will be making films like Mission Impossible 7 that may well get 10x more viewers, but having integriety overcomes that.

Wow.
Tom finally snapped.
What a frightening and saddening sight. :(

Leave Tom alone, let it settle down. We don't need anymore comments to agitate the situation, the damage has been done, its in the past, let's move on, k?

notorious.

i have considered leaving newgrounds (and the internet in general) many times. Countless times.

But I see it this way.
Newgrounds is filled with alot of horrid overrated crap (myself included) along the lines of sprite flashes and videogame cartoons.

They NEED people like you and rtil and kol-belov and bug and lazymuffin and all the othe GOOD animators on here.
Because they're the ones adding class to this place.
If you leave, it means one less decent person here.

I've realized abandoning this place won't help it.
You cant escape the public, but you can show them what you think.

I can't believe I'm defending this site, but really we need this site to stay. I am really dissatisfied with youtube... and oh man... that youtube poop and still pictures with music, NG really pumps out better content than them. We're all suffering from these life bloggers "LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE" drama queens and its pushing us apart.

All these youtube-clones, god reminds me of the last nineties with flashplayer and all those weird clones.

Now I don't like all the sprite movies and hentai either here, but it really is better than anything else on the net right now. I may not agree with Tom's ego, or Johnny_Utah's attitude, but we need these guys right now. We're in a horrible war with a crumbling economy, and tensions are high for everyone here too.

If the staff was open for the intellectual community to help out, we could really prop it up even if send a message to the other animators. You CAN kick google's ass. In fact, I'm looking forward to it. Either let us help out, or we'll put the trust in you to your ideas Tom on what ng has to be to win. My ass is full of olive branches right now.

Man, I want to go back to 2003.

I can see where both the staff and you are coming from. You guys aren't really making any cohesive points about anything at this point. It's nice to see you give a shit, and it's nice to see the staff defend their hard work.

The truth of it, and this is coming from someone who has frequented NewGrounds since 2000, is this:

NewGrounds is a shithole filled with morons, but it's the best damn shithole around.

It's that simple. You won't find anywhere with as much hidden talent and creativity as NewGrounds. NewGrounds is, and always has been, about the genius in the everyman. We all have our own talents, and NewGrounds is the one place these can shine. These talents might be copy pasting (sprite movies) or making the most of us laugh (pop culture parodies) or maybe that talent is more refined as manual, such as great timings and strong grasp of exaggeration and stretch and squash.

The sad fact is, you will not find a better community as a whole. If you don't like silly reviews by morons who say things like "WHY WASN'T MARIO FARTING?!!? 0!" then wade through and ignore them, and look for the more thorough ones. I try my best when I see something that cries out for analysis to give an in-depth review, and I know I'm no the only one around.

Please, don't leave. And if you really want somewhere to grow and learn a shitload about animation, go to www.animationforum.net It is the home of a number of professionals with years of experience in the industry and also to a crowd all of whom are dedicated to making and teaching great animation fundamentals.

Without the site I wouldn't be where I'm going today, it deserves better than what its getting. I really really reallly want to help out now. I wish one of the staff would respond on what they want to do.

I want Arfrenhouse back, I want Waterman back, hell I would even want Piconjo back. So Tom, Johnny, whoever, tell us what you need or let us give some ideas, but just let us help out, a whole part of our child/adulthood is littered in this site. Please?

We really really really really... really.. want to help out as best we can for you guys (staff).

lov @ f0d

its pretty obvious what Notorious is saying,
He isnt meaning to attack Newgrounds, Tom or anyone.
He's attacking its shitty user base that has gathered that are DEEPLY unpleasant to be around.
For instance this thing: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /375486 has pretty much no helpful reviews except from some prick who didnt even watch it and wanted better stats. Yet recently this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /407391

and even more recently this: http://glover85.newgrounds.com/

^ hell that shit wouldn't even be allowed on youtube

These automatically get praise. No matter what Tom does to ensure underated artists/whatever get exposure its always going to be wrong type of exposure.

Ive only ever learnt what I have done wrong in the real world recently such as even using flash in the first place as an animation tool.
Flash can be used to create pretty things like Brackenwood or MetropolisCircuit but the creators have previous education with animation and are only aplying their existing knowledge to that tool.
^^^^^^ Something no one of this website realises and they expect everyone to achieve the same quality straight up.
The only way I have ever found joy in the NG community within recent times is when I'm pissing them off by creating fake SMBZ episodes or submitting something offensive.

"lov @ f0d"

i hate getting off topic, but it sure is hilarious when an "artist" screams at cries for attention when he FAILS at everything, puts zero effort into ANYTHING, and then sits there crying and screaming "WHY OH WHY DO OTHER ARTISTS GET ALL THE ATTENTION!!!"

"banana phone was brilliant!!!" "you're scaring off all the "good" artists!!!"

im laughing my ass off over here. this site is what you make of it. i think notorious just saw that when he released his latest flash...he had his doubts over what the response would be, and you can see for yourself.

Someone wants attention. A LOT of attention.

Newgrounds not good enough for you? Go and cry about it somewhere else. You aren't better than anyone else here. There are NG artists that are a hell of a lot more talented than you, you don't hear them bitching if they get a poor review or see a sprite movie get a daily award.

People use the style they want to. If people want to use sprites let them! It doesn't make your work any better or worse. You can still submit movies here and on other sites.

There is no particular audience on NG. There's the 13 year old anime fans all the way up to sophisticated 30 year olds. Your movies have done well so I have no idea what you're complaning about. You just seem full of yourself.

Can I have your account then?
Lulz jk.

<3 You.
:]

heres something sinister suggested that sounds like a great idea:

massive member purge

Wherever you submit you will always get stuff like that.

There are some general themes that make up the ambiguous future of NG:

1) Collaboration: Like I said on the forums not too long ago, it's impressive to do everything on your own, but there's no reason why someone should spend months making a beautiful animation with a shitty script or bad voice acting. With all the talent here on NG, people need to come together and play off their strengths. We have a lot of tools designed to make this happen, they just need to be fully developed and implemented. And this is an epic category with large amounts of work involved. We want to showcase a wider variety of artists and facilitate the development process, but Flash will always have the spotlight. Because ultimately, all the unique disciplines converge in Flash.

2) Generating revenue for contributors. Money can be a taboo topic to some artists, but we've seen too many failed dreams over the years and I feel like we owe it to the contributors of the site to help them make money. We've already done it in the form of sponsorships, contests and full-time staff positions (or in the case of the Behemoth, trying to build a bridge between Flash and the consoles), but I want to do it on a more consistent and quantifiable level.

The thing about NG is we don't have venture capital to burn. Everything we do has to add up on paper and make real business sense or else it's just a temporary gimmick. NG loses contributors all the time to gimmicks; sites that show up with some money to spend and a promise that is never truly delivered. And ultimately, it hurts NG when that happens. But sometimes new sites DO offer something better, and we need to step up our own game to stay relevant. There is plenty of room for multiple Flash communities and they all serve different niches. What does irk me is completely generic sites that just harvest content from elsewhere (usually NG) and contribute nothing back to anyone.

3) Better categorization and promotion of content. We've totally failed at getting our content listings in better shape, and I feel like a moron about it because the plan has existed forever. It's one of those things where we didn't do it with the redesign because it was "another new thing" that would slow things down, and now we still haven't done it because other crap is clogging up the pipes. We have a laundry list of things we want to do to try and get people more exposure. At the end of the day, there are thousands of artists on NG and only so much front page space, and the audience isn't going to love something just because we tell them they should. I will always try to maintain a balance between the "popular" content and the stuff that really makes up the heart and soul of NG, because that popular content is like bate on a hook, bringing in lots of new fish. And ultimately, delivering an audience IS the founding principle of NG. And there will always be disagreements about what audience we are catering to and yada yada, well fuck it and just support the stuff YOU like.

Side notes: I don't look at YouTube as a direct competitor or threat to NG. I don't "fear" YouTube and Google. I just frequently lament on how much YouTube has impacted the potential audience for Flash and animation in general. Most people come to the web to be entertained, and most people are getting their entertainment from video instead of Flash. It's something NG will have to grapple with over the coming years, as more artists turn their talents towards video-based mediums, whether it be 3D or traditional cell animation, or full-blown films. Will we always be a cult of Flash artists, or a hub for creativity in general?

And I am always very open to comments and criticisms from the community. Our backlog of work is still a few years out from where I want the site to be, so change will take time (and inevitably, money). And I can promise that none of you are more disappointed with Newgrounds than the staff who works every day to try and make it better. I feel like we deserve success more than any other Flash site, but we're still working to earn it.

it's not that it doesn't appeal to people it's just that after the redisign it brought in a bunch of immature kids that don't really see any form of 'art' in newgrounds and not open to any new viewpoints and will blam anything that they generally dont get etc. personally i've stopped posting on the BBS because of this. but still me and my friends have wrote a couple of screen play and stuff for short films, and i still make flash. just because you want to do one thing doesn't mean you should give up the other just because some pubeless dicks don't see the coolness on your flash. you'll know that the rest of us will. Most of your stuff is pretty good, and you've got the awards (trophies) to show it!

Generally NG isn't life it's just a place to showcase what you like to do. so if you do end up deciding not to submit less people will be able to see your talents!

(also NG is a good plug for your website!!)

sounds kinda bad

i haven't done much except blam crap here so I wouldn't know much

but yeah i hate sticks too

why quit ng? why not submit your work to other sites including ng? that'll give you a larger audience.

Here's an idea, no one cares, at all.

That's all we need is another whiny baby like you that categorizes NG under animations with only sticks, hentai, etc..etc...

You go do that, go leave, no one friggen cares.

Your animations have deep plot lines? They're not for us?

False and true.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /424278
^ No plot at all. No entertainment at all. You know what this is? A bunch of tests of different actions but together with the most annoying music ever. NO one would want to watch that... Stuff like, I don't know, madness and stuff, its entertaining and funny, thats what people like, they don't want to listen to your crap music and watch your plotless, "deep" animations, they want to be entertained.

So leave, better for me. And everyone else...

This sure is generating quite alot of commotion, but I totally get what you're leading at.

You'd like people to actually watch something of yours, and actually take the time to tell you if they give a shit or not, and honestly I wish more people would do that. By no means does that mean there isn't people out there that do, but it's hard to generalize NG as a place that's brimming with these people. In a better term, NG is a "melting pot" of people that are here for the hobby, and those that are here to half ass around, and you've made yourself quite well known and I think of you as someone who has potential in a field outside of basic flash. I'm not all that great, and I haven't been around very long, but I consider myself as part of the percentile that is here for the hobby, and I too plan to graduate from basic flash to something above and beyond in 2d. As for the audience you're looking for, might you consider taking animation related courses in a college/university? I'm sure this has come to mind but you could probably expect mature responces, because it is quite a mature atmosphere.

I hope you can stick around for awhile and find what you're looking for dude.

Also, you still in ACML Dual?

I just watched your Fishes. I was going to leave a review in there, but I kept typing and things got out of hand. So I figured I drop it in this hot shop, which seems to be blown out of proportion to a degree.

Dear Notorious, (hehe)

It was good. Though you made a fatal mistake in my opinion. I will give merit to the fact that it seems experimental, but you labeled it "very artsy" in the Author's Comments. An animator, film maker, or artist in general doesn't warn people of something being very artsy unless they intended on it being very artsy, which means you were attempting to mimic the indie and/or art scene that would produce something of this quality without a thought of it being "artsy". An artist would naturally make a film or animation in a certain fashion or style, though labeling it artsy is not your job. Other people say it's artsy. And you say "oh well thanks... I guess" I just don't want you to be that person who tries to be something he isn't. By telling everyone "Hey! This is artsy," you are giving them the chance to say "I disagree." Let other people make that connection themselves.
There was this one time I went to a film festival and found myself questioning the integrity of their intentions. It seemed that they were trying to make it artsy, which is a big mistake. Make flash for you. Art has always been a selfish act. I don't make things for other people. I make things that I think are funny, or that would interest me. The opinions of others are relatively meaningless to me.

Though I know that you are about to go examine my flash history and discover that most of my stuff is involved in "Halomen" or some other parody type of cartoon, I am in the process of creating my own Cartoon series. And I am making each episode all year before I release them once a week on mondays for a couple of months in the fall. The point is, I am responding to any sort of attack you may use against me before you even bring it up, because I know that on NG the only means of retorting is by demeaning the current art of the person in question. I am not making a cartoon series for you. Or for Tom Fulp. I alone want this. I want to have a time slot. I want to make a show. And I think it would be a cool experience. This is my hard work. This is my originality that people of continuously criticized me for lacking. And whether or not you stay on NG is of no importance to me. This is your choice.

And in my opinion the representatives of the website and those members of the audience have in a way embarrassed themselves and their own reputations. Their recognition on the site may be the result of a cult series or game. But they have no right to ridicule you for expressing your opinions or the opinions of others. You are young. And when you go to college, you will learn that everything that ever happened to you in high school was completely irrelevant.

I wish you good luck on your bohemian experience. The road may be tumultuous at times, remember that the most important thing along the way is meeting people and being connected. Without each other we are truly Fish for the slaughter.

Sincerely,

Dan Berry

PS.
XOXOX HAHA jkjk

It sounds like you're saying, "I'm thinking of leaving Newgrounds because all the other submissions get different responses from mine because they aren't made exactly like mine."

That's something you'll find everywhere.

Another thing:
"The redesign is part of the problem. No offense, but this redesign makes it incredibly easy to review, vote, and leave without having even watched the animation."

That's something you'll find everywhere.

Another thing:
"I know there are tons of people on NG who have excellent tastes, it's just the people that are obnoxious kind of ruin it."

That's something you'll find everywhere.

Why don't you stay on Newgrounds? Everything negative you've stated about it isn't going to go away because you leave the site. Newgrounds is a place open for a wide range of artistic things, and there's always something for everybody.

Mark my words:
Newgrounds is the best website that you will ever know on the Internet.

Right well Notorious, I love you and your work is pretty interesting, even if it lacks some of the more disciplined technical aspects compared to someone working for, say, Disney.

The thing: You're 16 and have so much time to learn. I've been coming to NewGrounds for about 7 years, and I'm going to be studying animation next year, I've been commissioned for a couple commercials and I've sold my paintings. And despite the idiots on NewGrounds, overall NewGrounds is 80% percent responsible for my real world success.

Hear that, "And despite the idiots on NewGrounds, overall NewGrounds is 80% percent responsible for my real world success."

I think what you need to do is simple live and let live at this point and only pay attentional to the people who care and have passion.

Also, alot of morons are posting in this dialogue who I'm pretty sure haven't even read your post.

f0d POST MOAR ESSAYS!!111 O-:0!

Do whatever you think is right, buddy. I've only seen "Lethal Injection," and I found it to be quite interesting and unique, although I don't exactly agree with the message at the end "In every war new murder weapons are created to instill fear into the enemy:" the term "murder weapons" is a bit redundant...

I rarely write reviews; I come to Newgrounds more for the flash games than the movies.

Still, there are people who appreciate animations that don't contain any of the above (I personally dislike sprite animations, and don't bother watching anything that has anything to do with Halo). I'm no flash animator, but I offer you my support and good will.

I'd recommend that you should not quit NG entirely, but take a bit of a hiatus from submitting here, if you wish. Check out other sites, and see if they are to your liking. Never burn your bridges prematurely, as building new ones is often a difficult and painful process, as I can tell you from personal experiences.

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